From -7672197275693371460 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 109fba,97482af7429a6a62 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: f78e5,d0101e78f246296b X-Google-Attributes: gidf78e5,public From: jim.fleming@bytes.com (Jim Fleming) Subject: Re: C+@ Tails Date: 1995/06/18 Message-ID: <3s1u30$r8h@News1.mcs.com> X-Deja-AN: 104608913 references: <3r1263$c9u@news.uni-c.dk> <3rihva$bfl@mercury.galstar.com> <1995Jun15.185339.10901@rcmcon.com> organization: Unir Corporation mime-version: 1.0 newsgroups: comp.lang.c++,comp.std.c++ In article <1995Jun15.185339.10901@rcmcon.com>, rmartin@rcmcon.com says... > >ichudov@star89.galstar.com (Igor Chudov @ home) writes: > >>This desire to stop one of the netters to post his opinions [no matter >>how bizarre they are] is not very respectable. Yes, Fleming is funny >>and sometimes behaves like a jerk [and a jerk he is]. > >It's not his being a Jerk that is the problem. If he were simply a >jerk about C++ it wouln't be an issue. But, unfortunately, he makes >quite a few personal attacks on underserving people. He is a master >of innuendo and slur. Some of what he writes approaches libel. > >Now, if this occurred in isolated cases, fine. We all do stupid >things sometimes. But Flemming's insistence upon repeated slur, >gossip, innuendo and propoganda seem to indicate that he is not simply >having a bad day. It seems likely that he is actually trying to >destroy certain peoples reputations (and with them their livelihood) >by undermining their credibility with lies, half-truths and innuendo. > >This cannot, and should not, be tolerated. > >-- >Robert Martin | Design Consulting | Training courses offered: >Object Mentor Assoc.| rmartin@oma.com | Object Oriented Analysis >2080 Cranbrook Rd. | Tel: (708) 918-1004 | Object Oriented Design >Green Oaks IL 60048 | Fax: (708) 918-1023 | C++ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ FOR THE RECORD ONLY: I will respond to this and other postings when appropriate. As many of you know, recently "someone" using the name Bjarne Stroustrup and posting from an account registered to research.att,com posted a message that has resulted in an enormous number of unsolicited e-mail messages to be sent to myself as well as others. Also, callers (most, unwilling to leave their names) have called our companies as well as a various other companies to respond to the request for support from the poster using the name Bjarne Stroustrup. Because of serious 800 number "jamming" and obscene calls and messages, Unir's 800 numbers have been disabled. These are *facts* that can be easily verified and which are being documented and reported to the proper authorities. Please note that I have *carefully* indicated that the posting appears to have come from Bjarne Stroustrup of AT&T Bell Laboratories. Because the posting contained several inaccurate statements (which are easily verified), it is hard to imagine that Bjarne Stroutrup wrote the message. If Bjarne ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ did post the message, then one has to wonder why he would post inaccurate statements and what his purpose in posting those would be. One thing is certain, as a result of the recent posting, that apparently came from AT&T, several small businesses have been severely impacted and my ability to work and earn a modest living has been jeopardized. The proper executives at AT&T are being notified of our concerns. @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ BTW...(see underline above) I did not attend Object Expo last year and I have never made any business ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ proposition(s) to Bjarne. Also, Unir's attorneys have never sent Bjarne ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Stroustrup a letter. Also, Bjarne Stroustrup had willingly agreed to ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ participate in Object Expo in 1993 as part of the joint Unir/AT&T exhibit and Bjarne had sent materials (including his 8x10 picture) which Unir still has. My call to Mr. Brian Kernighan was regarding Bjarne's last minute decision to withdraw from the show which AT&T had agreed to support. These are all *facts* which are easily proven via extensive documentation. Also...I do not consider Mr. Bjarne Stroustrup to be the *ONLY* "developer of the C++ Programming Language. Recently, people claiming to represent the ANSI C++ Committee have indicated that Mr. Stroustrup is NOT a member of the committee and has no vote. No one seems to be able to verify whether he is a member or not and the ANSI process is now intertwined in the ISO process to such a degree that individual, corporate and country boundaries are very blurred. While this might appear to be beneficial, it makes it very difficult to make sure that the people, companies and countries are following the proper procedures. It also makes it convenient for people to fragment voting, to change venues, and to generally control the process without ever having to take responsibility for any specific action. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ It has been apparent for many years that *many people* are responsible for the development of The C++ Programming Language. Some of these people have elected to be members of the ANSI and/or ISO committees and some have not (even though they appear to participate in the process). Some of these people have obviously put a lot of work into promoting the C++ language as a national and international standard and will hopefully be given the proper credit for their work. Hopefully, all people that have helped to promote the language as a standard will take responsibility for their actions. When I refer to "The C++ Developers", that is not intended to single out an individual. For those not familiar with English, the "s" at the end of the word Developer implies more than one person....:) @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ -- Jim Fleming /|\ Unir Corporation Unir Technology, Inc. jrf@tiger.bytes.com / | \ One Naperville Plaza 184 Shuman Blvd. #100 %Techno Cat I / | \ Naperville, IL 60563 Naperville, IL 60563 East End, Tortola |____|___\ 1-708-505-5801 1-800-222-UNIR(8647) British Virgin Islands__|______ 1-708-305-3277 (FAX) 1-708-305-0600 \__/-------\__/ http:199.3.34.13 telnet: port 5555 Smooth Sailing on Cruising C+@amarans ftp: 199.3.34.12 <-----stargate----+ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\____to the end of the OuterNet_|