From 1430399288745600136 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII X-Google-Thread: f78e5,327d55d23ac807ba X-Google-Attributes: gidf78e5,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2004-04-16 08:26:37 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!news.glorb.com!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!kibo.news.demon.net!mutlu.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!devnull From: dsp@bdal.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Daniel_Kr=FCgler_=28nee_Spangenberg=29=22?=) Newsgroups: comp.std.c++ Subject: Re: atexit and/or objects with global storage duration Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 15:26:35 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 55 Approved: fjh@cs.mu.oz.au (Fergus Henderson , moderator of comp.std.c++) Message-ID: <407F821D.8030203@bdal.de> References: <407E38E8.8020008@bdal.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: mail2news.demon.co.uk 1082129195 29059 10.0.0.1 (16 Apr 2004 15:26:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 15:26:35 +0000 (UTC) X-Received: from mulga.cs.mu.oz.au ([128.250.1.22]) by news.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BEVEg-0007YY-00 for mail2news@news.news.demon.net; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 15:26:34 +0000 X-Received: from mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU with ESMTP id i3GFQUi2020273; Sat, 17 Apr 2004 01:26:30 +1000 (EST) X-Received: (from fjh@localhost) by mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.9/Submit) id i3GFQQX2020257; Sat, 17 Apr 2004 01:26:26 +1000 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU: fjh set sender to devnull@stump.algebra.com using -f X-Path: comp-std-cpp-robomod!not-for-mail X-Robomod: STUMP, ichudov@algebra.com (Igor Chudov) X-Delivered-To: std-c++@ucar.edu X-User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; de-DE; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: de-de, de X-Newsgroups: comp.std.c++ X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60-mulga_r1 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.2 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60-mulga_r1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU id i3GFQUi2020273 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.std.c++:1693 Ben Hutchings schrieb: >"Daniel Kr=FCgler (nee Spangenberg)" wrote: > =20 > >>Hello community, >> >>yesterday night I stumbled about a problem, for which I could not >>find an answer in the current C++ standard (2003). >> =20 >> > >See 18.3/8. It's not easy to read, but it does cover this situation. >The 1998 standard did not (see >). > >=20 > You are absolutely right, obviously I was to sleepy to recognize the=20 complete meaning of these words;-). Funnily the original descriptive part of defect #3 claims to=20 conclude that my example should lead to undefined behaviour, although the actual proposed (and=20 realized) solution does not follow this recommandation (I think the solution is quite natural and=20 seems to reflect current practice, although I did not expect that). >>Is this program wellformed or does it lead to undefined behaviour? >> =20 >> > > >You are confusing two different kinds of error. If a program is not >well-formed, this error can and must be detected and reported at >compile time. "Undefined behaviour" can only occur in situations >which the standard does not require implementors to detect. > =20 > Right again - abuse of well defined concepts lead to the longest and=20 passionate threads in usenet and usually I am more careful in the choice of my words. Greetings from Bremen, Daniel Kr=FCgler --- [ comp.std.c++ is moderated. To submit articles, try just posting with ] [ your news-reader. If that fails, use mailto:std-c++@ncar.ucar.edu ] [ --- Please see the FAQ before posting. --- ] [ FAQ: http://www.jamesd.demon.co.uk/csc/faq.html ]