From -340225669685087390 X-Google-Thread: f78e5,e8e0ab29e8861265 X-Google-Attributes: gidf78e5,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!news4.google.com!news.glorb.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.speakeasy.net!news.speakeasy.net.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 19:20:05 -0500 Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU: fjh set sender to devnull@stump.algebra.com using -f X-Robomod: STUMP, ichudov@algebra.com (Igor Chudov) Delivered-To: std-c++@ucar.edu From: "Bob Bell" Newsgroups: comp.std.c++ Subject: Re: If C++ had interfaces, what would they be? Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <1122336456.595882.282330@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1121963458.661748.118300@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1122299887.515239.317170@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com User-Agent: G2/0.2 Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=160.33.20.11; posting-account=YkQmFgwAAADb4VCQxbKct8M2us8SA5QU X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ucar.edu X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cs.mu.OZ.AU Approved: Fergus Henderson , moderator of comp.std.c++ X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cs.mu.OZ.AU Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 19:13:37 CST Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.182.171.162 X-Trace: sv3-bXlE5o/j9e8IGqPoske+4QjZlMX9mcQFvm9QPZvy/f4N86bIKyj7WZd8gCuFCik9mv/wpaOO+h3Ma4t!W56CnjkcvfU3Kcnh4fv8XQ1XW0bWy1PAp3XE3gLYlLil1Uq/Yf5cWu7OZV91vo04zbj2IEwXsGfy!BjCzuFKU9WRGk6YXMQbudFTpvFcvpFXbXtAneurMSng= X-Complaints-To: abuse@speakeasy.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@speakeasy.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.32 Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.std.c++:1488 "Steven T. Hatton" wrote: > kanze@gabi-soft.fr wrote: > > > "Steven T. Hatton" wrote: > >> People can argue that there are mechanisms for locating such > >> definitions without a great deal of effort. It may only take > >> a minute. Do that 60 times, and it takes an hour. The > >> arrangement of different code bases makes this more difficult > >> than it would be if there were a formal mechanism for > >> organizing resources(as in Java). > > > > I don't know. I've found it just as difficult to locate > > definitions in Java as in C++. More difficult, in fact, because > > the definitions are always embedded in a mess of implementation > > details. > > With the exception of interfaces and abstract classes, Java doesn't have any > distinction between "declaration" and "definition" (that I can thing of.) > Of course these features are used extensively. Nonetheless, because the > Java source code is more coherently organized by specification (or at least > recommendation and convention), and also because Java specifies a great > many infrastructure mechanism to facilitate locating resources, the Java > resource base can be searched much more effectively and deterministically > than can a C++ code base. As far as I can tell, this simply isn't true; at least, searching for definitions in a C++ code base does not have to be inefficient or non-deterministic. Modern IDEs accomplish this quite handily; the Metrowerks IDE can quickly take me to the definitions of macros, functions, classes, typedefs, etc. In other words, the ability to search a code base is a tools issue, not a language issue. Bob --- [ comp.std.c++ is moderated. To submit articles, try just posting with ] [ your news-reader. If that fails, use mailto:std-c++@ncar.ucar.edu ] [ --- Please see the FAQ before posting. --- ] [ FAQ: http://www.jamesd.demon.co.uk/csc/faq.html ]