From 8029540444731985780 X-Google-Thread: f78e5,6294651cbc4b105c X-Google-Attributes: gidf78e5,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!news4.google.com!news.glorb.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.speakeasy.net!news.speakeasy.net.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:20:04 -0500 Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU: fjh set sender to devnull@stump.algebra.com using -f X-Robomod: STUMP, ichudov@algebra.com (Igor Chudov) Delivered-To: std-c++@ucar.edu From: "Tony Delroy" Newsgroups: comp.std.c++ Subject: Re: C++ standard life cycle Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <1125063434.798372.40210@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; .NET CLR 1.0.3705; .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com; posting-host=141.228.156.225; posting-account=FXCsfg0AAAD9nxsBIO8S7ZyZ6XRUbxO7 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ucar.edu X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cs.mu.OZ.AU Approved: Fergus Henderson , moderator of comp.std.c++ X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cs.mu.OZ.AU Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:15:08 CST Lines: 37 NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.182.171.162 X-Trace: sv3-nQ6zwHCf8kJSb1+/tYoCdeVuhQJPN8EpG+zYxa764YaO6snJmTpqLTYAf/U+K/+2RPylftXFgR71ppO!ex5SBdoI/TPj+338zcVokhFo71UaXvmsR7POOE8WPtKiRma8xrOJo9u89LLcQUF8xslvNcvnC2a1!U0FgJRGluSpRyugkViff9bUvlTYLHeuID3TCK+KSVw== X-Complaints-To: abuse@speakeasy.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@speakeasy.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.32 Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.std.c++:1937 > There's probably one more major revision cycle left in [C++] the lifespan. COBOL and FORTRAN stand out as having been core parts of corporate and governmental financial and engineering systems, while in my experience Pascal is typically employed in Universities and PCs. Bigger systems take more effort to displace, and the dependency makes organisations place huge pressure on standards bodies form a bridge between companies desparately trying to continue to use critical systems and vendors who'd be reluctant to enhance an old language if only one customer was demanding the change. This mirrors hardware, where VAX computers are still available and support promised despite several changes to the ownership of OpenVMS/VAX/Alpha technology. There are enough telcos, defense projects etc with no practical way off the technologies that pressure and entice the vendors. As for C++... I think John's probably onto something. It's inevitable that in the next couple years someone will release a C++ system with full compile-time introspection, and what we now call C++ will be to that "C++ with introspection" what C is to C++. I've written such a system for a previous client, and plan to do something similar again for public release. From a programming perspective, it's actually relatively simple, and existing systems like OpenC++ illustrate the larger techniques, without yet hitting on the necessary blend of flexibilitiy, practicality, usability, and productivity. Cheers, Tony --- [ comp.std.c++ is moderated. To submit articles, try just posting with ] [ your news-reader. If that fails, use mailto:std-c++@ncar.ucar.edu ] [ --- Please see the FAQ before posting. --- ] [ FAQ: http://www.jamesd.demon.co.uk/csc/faq.html ]