From -6886690802510706107 X-Google-Thread: f78e5,6294651cbc4b105c X-Google-Attributes: gidf78e5,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII Path: g2news1.google.com!news4.google.com!news.glorb.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.speakeasy.net!news.speakeasy.net.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 09:20:01 -0500 Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU: fjh set sender to devnull@stump.algebra.com using -f X-Robomod: STUMP, ichudov@algebra.com (Igor Chudov) Delivered-To: std-c++@ucar.edu From: kanze@gabi-soft.fr Newsgroups: comp.std.c++ Subject: Re: C++ standard life cycle Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <1125403152.803651.72460@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> References: <1124962740.444680.27940@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; SunOS sun4u; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020920 Netscape/7.0,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com; posting-host=62.160.54.162; posting-account=qsfl8gwAAABZGaLp2a7FeTfDkJamzWYW X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ucar.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mailman.ucar.edu id j7UBxKNC029711 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cs.mu.OZ.AU Approved: Fergus Henderson , moderator of comp.std.c++ X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cs.mu.OZ.AU Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 09:10:44 CST Lines: 48 NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.182.171.162 X-Trace: sv3-zB7fT01SWeD7x+rV1VLnRj4qvrD+IQS7vYTeWFHqXxVDvbeGEo/c58O3BaXWsO1oclRAM0b/5NIvPcK!XA9MeWs1UTaz29mstis4c9LcoZlvTUvvDPgeeASWXBuIEGwGeKyV6nKT1Fav9xzDLKmvZ+HraPd6!YwZNhbFJP//SRPDlC/qIyFHRRFNKnLsbQL0PO/OT8g== X-Complaints-To: abuse@speakeasy.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@speakeasy.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.32 Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.std.c++:1976 Chris Hills wrote: > In article <1124962740.444680.27940@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, > kanze@gabi-soft.fr writes > >The case of C is an interesting one. There, too, I don't > >think that there can be any doubt that the critical volume > >was reached. If C dies, it will basically be because C++ has > >been able to subsume it -- the C compatibility of C++ means > >that much C code is almost C++ code, migrating it to C++ (and > >thus reducing the effective volume) is affordable. So C > >could conceivably be an exception to the above. > C is interesting as it has a life of it's own, like (visual) > Basic outside the ISO standardisation. This is an aspect I didn't address. Both Basic and Pascal have ISO standards. Both standards have largely been ignored, from the start. But both languages are very much alive, in the form of Visual Basic and Delphi. And of course, there are a number of important languages which have never been subject to ISO standardization: Perl and Java come immediatly to mind, and of course, there is the Unix shell, along with its sublanguages like awk and sed. None of those seem likely to die anytime soon, despite never having been "standardized" (except for the Unix shell, by Posix). [...] > C is not likely to die and is more likely to outlive C++. Independantly of a standard, my point was that any language which reaches a critical mass lives forever. In my mind, there is no doubt that both C and C++ have reached that critical mass. -- James Kanze GABI Software Conseils en informatique orient�e objet/ Beratung in objektorientierter Datenverarbeitung 9 place S�mard, 78210 St.-Cyr-l'�cole, France, +33 (0)1 30 23 00 34 --- [ comp.std.c++ is moderated. To submit articles, try just posting with ] [ your news-reader. If that fails, use mailto:std-c++@ncar.ucar.edu ] [ --- Please see the FAQ before posting. --- ] [ FAQ: http://www.jamesd.demon.co.uk/csc/faq.html ]