From -6081240450058713627 X-Google-Thread: f78e5,174aa7b34b06a51 X-Google-Attributes: gidf78e5,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!news3.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.icl.net!peer-uk.news.demon.net!kibo.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!stump.algebra.com!devnull From: pjp@dinkumware.com ("P.J. Plauger") Newsgroups: comp.std.c++ Subject: Re: Is this really unspecified behavior? Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 06:15:46 GMT Lines: 34 Sender: mail2news@demon.net Approved: fjh@cs.mu.oz.au (Fergus Henderson , moderator of comp.std.c++) Message-ID: References: <1132629737.664847.151630@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <1132722639.345095.296070@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <200511231401.jANE1BuC092897@horus.isnic.is> <37hco1hvfg2s43q2dv3003her7im99airg@4ax.com> <1twif.776$iZ3.758@trndny03> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.news.demon.net X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1133244971 15740 158.152.254.254 (29 Nov 2005 06:16:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 06:16:11 +0000 (UTC) X-Robomod: STUMP, ichudov@algebra.com (Igor Chudov) X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Priority: 3 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cs.mu.OZ.AU X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Received: (from fjh@localhost) by mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.9/Submit) id jAT6Fkao003698; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:15:46 +1100 (EST) X-Path: comp-std-cpp-robomod!not-for-mail X-NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 08:33:13 -0600 X-Delivered-To: std-c++@ucar.edu X-TN-Interface: 209.99.127.21 X-Postfilter: 1.3.32 X-Authentication-Warning: serv4.gc.dca.giganews.com: news set sender to poster@giganews.com using -f X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-Newsgroups: comp.std.c++ Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.std.c++:2617 "Hyman Rosen" wrote in message news:1twif.776$iZ3.758@trndny03... > We've got made-up customers who are so tied to a vendor > that they demand compatibility for undocumented and > unspecified features but who are still able to change > vendors if they don't get it. > > We've got made-up optimizers who are so brilliant that > they mustn't be constrained for fear of slowing the code, > but who are at the same time so stupid that they can't > figure out the ordinary cases where order doesn't matter. > > We've got a (probably) made-up Standard Committee who is > so responsive to compiler vendors that they won't agree to > specify formerly unspecifed behavior, but did standardize > two-phase name lookup in templates, which broke every > implementation in existence, half of whom still haven't > caught up years later. Welcome to the wonderful world of software. Every one of the things you cite above is true, contradictions and all. P.J. Plauger Dinkumware, Ltd. http://www.dinkumware.com --- [ comp.std.c++ is moderated. To submit articles, try just posting with ] [ your news-reader. If that fails, use mailto:std-c++@ncar.ucar.edu ] [ --- Please see the FAQ before posting. --- ] [ FAQ: http://www.jamesd.demon.co.uk/csc/faq.html ]