From -8685840827834334644 X-Google-Thread: 7894ca11fe,6d978d9a8718e000 X-Google-Attributes: gid7894ca11fe,public,usenet X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news2.google.com!news2.google.com!news.glorb.com!news.alt.net!frodo.cs.rpi.edu!not-for-mail From: Michael Kilburn Newsgroups: comp.std.c++ Subject: Re: replacing Koenig lookup Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 16:25:37 CST Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 44 Sender: cppmods@cs.rpi.edu Approved: stephen.clamage@sun.com Message-ID: <3b3b60a7-8bbe-4ec0-9825-447bf5cabc84@p6g2000pre.googlegroups.com> References: <37424f1f-77ef-4275-bfff-825d58f8e31b@p4g2000vba.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: netlab.cs.rpi.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 To: (Usenet) Return-Path: X-Original-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 11:17:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Submission-Address: std-c++@netlab.cs.rpi.edu Xref: g2news2.google.com comp.std.c++:722 On May 19, 4:38 pm, vandevoo...@gmail.com wrote: > On May 17, 11:50 pm, Michael Kilburn wrote: > > I am sure everyone here like the idea of changing core language > > feature... ;-) But has anyone ever considered getting rid or better > > replacing 'Koenig lookup'? > > I don't think you'll see change in this area for the C++0x time frame. I am sure I won't see this change in the timeframe of my life. :-) But it is interesting to keep trying... > However, you may be interested in N1691 (Dave Abrahams' "explicit > namespace" proposal) and Herb Sutter's N2103 (a proposal to limit ADL > in some ways). Thanks! Do you by any chance know the status of these proposals? Are they closed? I read both of them and in my (modest) opinion they should not be implemented -- they fail to address the root of the problem (i.e. ADL itself). ADL is a complex and evil and should not be 'fixed' by adding more complexity to it (Herb's proposal), also I do not see any benefit from adding yet another mechanism (explicit namespaces) while retaining ADL (Dave's proposal) -- in this case additional complexity would be interaction between those mechanisms. I'd very much prefer getting rid of ADL completely and replace with with simple and straightforward mechanism of 'global' namespace (which is nothing but an extension of existing 'namespace' mechanism) Ah, and btw -- I re-read my original posting, it is full of cr%p -- you probably want to skip most of 'philosophical' stuff and look directly into the proposed idea. :-) Michael. -- [ comp.std.c++ is moderated. To submit articles, try just posting with ] [ your news-reader. If that fails, use mailto:std-c++@netlab.cs.rpi.edu] [ --- Please see the FAQ before posting. --- ] [ FAQ: http://www.comeaucomputing.com/csc/faq.html ]